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Fiery Joker Rant: My Experience With YouTube's Fair Use #WTFU

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Holly Messmer (1 year ago)
*sees "rant" and "fair use" in the same sentence* Nintendo?
CrasherX 2000 (1 year ago)
Spread the message everyone #WTFU
Sayap Gamer (2 years ago)
Youtube,, #WTFU
Marble Pie (2 years ago)
NSBDesigns (2 years ago)
6:23 Well, what else would you do if there's no other choice?
Raven6229 (2 years ago)
This is the most stupid thing I've ever heard. Money. They need money. SO they decided to spray paint the word "STEAL" with a shiny golden paint, they add some stickers and sparklies to make it look cleaner, then they go and use that with no repercussions? Am i hearing this correctly? IM NOT EVEN A PROPER YOUTUBER AND THIS ENRAGES ME! Oh, and because its just youtube and no ski masks are involved, the authorities dont give a- This is stupid. This is stupid. This is stupid. Let us know if we can help in any way. We viewers hate to see our idols and role models being stolen from. Let us know if we can help.
Samuel McRaven (2 years ago)
Lilllate (2 years ago)
Hey you were on the Nostalgia Critic's video "WTFU progress". Congrats!
James Vermont (2 years ago)
Do you think Josh had a fanboy moment when a screenshot from this video ended up in Doug Walker's WTFU update video?
Matthew Schultz (2 years ago)
Tyler Llewellyn (2 years ago)
Doug Walker senpai Noticed you in his latest video.
Fr34k4z01d (2 years ago)
So... you are in NC's latest update video. I was so excited I rewatched it just to see when your face showed up on the screen!
Nirvash type1 (2 years ago)
what's 4chan
firescales (2 years ago)
Rowan Westhoff (2 years ago)
I`ll tell you where fair use has gone, it went to north Korea because it's better than here even though YouTube is banned there
Fallen Angel (2 years ago)
I still can't believe what an asshole YouTube is becoming because if they keep it up I may as well not even start my own channel. I didn't even know about what was happening until you and a few other youtubers said something
Sillypplproductions2 (2 years ago)
Hey, uh, in case you didn't know, the title's at the bottom now. Just sayin'.
chicacreepypasta 09 (2 years ago)
Kronos Blair (2 years ago)
eeyup YOUTUBE IS CRAP AND I WISH IT WOULD BE BETTER. #makeyoutubegreatagain #WTFU
WELL, LET'S BOYCOTT YOUTUBE TO GET THEM THEIR MONEY!!!!! Wait, wait, wait...Oh...Fuck! We can't even fucking boycott these days?! God, send us some guidance! (Hallelujah) What is this?! A wonderful, awe inspiring, magical hashtag that a lot of my favorite critics are using!!!!?!!?!?!? Ah, this brings us power!! As a viewer, This is where I make my stand, where we make OUR stand! Ura!
Saltyoven (2 years ago)
I'm lucky I live in connecticut where it is actually illegal for corporations to use their wealth to stall the courts so you will go bankrupt.
Blackwood Pinetree (2 years ago)
And now I wish that humanity wasn't populated with assholes, I want to start my own channel but I'm not gonna because of shit like this. Now if you will excuse me I am gonna go Dan vs. on everyone!
Lucas Frasure (2 years ago)
I love how people who are against #WTFU say that people like you and Doug Walker only care about the money. If they were to see this video of your's, they'll clearly see that is not the case.
Savannah Waddell (2 years ago)
YouTube,you need to fix you-self!
Dizaster studios (2 years ago)
ive seen a lot of videos about the wtfu lately, and by far you showed the most anger, which i feel is a crude, yet effective way of getting results in situations like this...and the most influence how you getting hit by this copyright B.S. has affected those who rely on you, i just wonder when will youtube finally get off their asses and start fixing this once safe, now nearly extremely hostile content creation environment...
Ume Coalpaw (2 years ago)
PrimeEnLightenedShadow (2 years ago)
In theory... if most of your reviews/revenue and the dispute process happen within the first 2-4 weeks... couldn't you - again, in theory - take your video down after the dispute is resolved, and re-upload it as a "new" video so that people get notified again? Or does the system in place prevent that kind of system abuse? Or worse, do/would they just start another dispute?
S6ting Wcw (2 years ago)
That's fucked up
TrebleClef (2 years ago)
I have one story. I made a violin TWINKLE TWINKLE LITTLE STAR video and got a Content ID claim from some nursery rhyme company, who I know for a fact doesn't own the song. Granted, I don't make money off of my videos, but it was still ridiculous.
Al3xand3rHyd3 (2 years ago)
My friend made this petition that could help with a problem at the core of this. https://www.change.org/p/barack-obama-change-the-dmca-laws-so-companies-cannot-use-it-to-get-around-fair-use?recruiter=141062520&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=sms
Hannah A (2 years ago)
This is why I'm scared to start a YouTube channel. I mean, nothing like you Josh, just lame covers of songs, but still. I'm scared I'll get pounced on by people waving their little "Copyrighted Music" flags and be shot down within the first few days. My friends and I have wanted to do something like this for years now and we can't because of our fear of the copyright. So, even though I'm not a channel at ALL...YouTube... Where's the fair use?#WTFU
Wither Girl (2 years ago)
Try dailymotion. It's not as popular, but if you are only doing it for fun it should be fine ☺
Mr.Bailey (2 years ago)
Have you seen lily peets video on this
Leo Argent (2 years ago)
5:36 Did you mean parents, or do you really have parrots that say "Go on Josh, you good guy funny!" That's the noise my friends parrot makes. Despite what TV would tell you, parrots are not English majors.
Dice Cube (2 years ago)
I don't know if this has come up before, but have folks considered starting a class-action suit? I know folks can't stand up to this nonsense individually, but I've seen a bunch of these vids and I can't help but think that if each of you tossed in a few bucks, you could get fairly potent representation that could benefit all of you
cpu neptune (2 years ago)
That's I can agree on Josh that is fucked big time
John McHenry (2 years ago)
I don't think Ip owners understand the value of reviewers like Josh or whoever doing video reviews. Word of mouth can make a viewer want to check out whatever it is they are reviewing. If someone doesn't watch MLP and saw Josh's, or Silver-Quill's, Dr. Wolf's or Ink Rose's reviews they might see it and go "Hey, that show looks interesting. I'll check it out", but if an IP owner is being heavy handed and getting their videos because they used a few clips it makes potential viewers go "Screw Them. I won't support them if they're going to be jackasses."
sonofsueraf (2 years ago)
3:25 if that's how Josh looks angry, I wonder what he looks like during his duty days...
Shadow Drifter (2 years ago)
My parents have told me that a dirty but effective tactic to get rid of smaller competitors is to force them to make them go bankrupt from getting legal rights. Bigger companies would sue the smaller companies for patent of products, and even if the smaller companies would win, they would already spend so much money from hiring the lawyers and so much time unable to sell their product during the dispute, yet don't have as much money as bigger companies to last as long, that they would go bankrupt and die in the competition. I can only suspect that the same strategy is being applied here.
PhysicsGamer (2 years ago)
I'm glad you addressed this.
Peace love and Disney (2 years ago)
play more alice madness plz!
zarachie (2 years ago)
what companie do you think is worse a.viacom b.fox c.hasbro 4.all of the above reply and vote.
Xanaguy The Legend (2 years ago)
I still wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors.
Gobe (2 years ago)
Let's st art this together on social media everyone do #WTFU on Google+ or Facebook
Rich Gangsta (2 years ago)
i hate the fine bros
Christian Arroyo (2 years ago)
Damn... sorry to hear what you're going through, Josh :(
モスラ (2 years ago)
"Why were they decide to pick on us?" -joshscorcher 1:30
CaptainRay (2 years ago)
Hey, can anyone tell me what position Josh is/was in the army. I'm trying to join the army now and am just a little curious on what he is.
Matt The Rat Lord (2 years ago)
This kind of crap makes me really avoid making YouTube videos, and I wanna make them badly. But from the crap everyone keeps talking about, especially one of my favorite YouTubers talking about it, it just really makes me wanna avoid making videos
Wither Girl (2 years ago)
It depends on the videos you are making. I only do gaming, so I'm fine. It's only really a problem if you make money from the videos, or if the companies are particulary nasty. Anyway, they don't usually target small channels, so you should be fine ☺
i feel the same way but my old channel got taken down my SFM and PMV stuff got deleted and i cant download SFM or and PMV of my work anymore this is my new channel and its very difficult i feel so bad i rlly want my old channel back badly #WTFU Wheres The Fair Use
Evan Shaner (2 years ago)
Why does my computer refuse to play this video without making me watch it at a very slow pace on 144p?!
AnimeFanFTW (2 years ago)
Holy fuck, you got a copyright strike from the Fine Bros!?! Damn. They really are pieces of shit.
coolcat001100 (2 years ago)
To paraphrase Adam Jensen, "This world doesn't care about right or wrong. It only cares about power. And right now, none of us have it."
AJW (2 years ago)
#WTFU #MakeYouTubeGreatAgain #WeAreYouTube
Draconic Gaming (2 years ago)
I've made my fair share of videos, but, since I wasn't monetizing my videos (and I still haven't set that up), I didn't get hit by a Copyright Strike (I had claims, mainly due to my lack of true YouTube knowledge at the time, but the videos are still up on my channel, to my knowledge). I've been on creative hiatus since my last video more than a year ago, but I'm planning on re-entering the scene with a new style, but seeing these videos is disheartening. Hopefully things get better when Google gets its act together and installs a vastly better system (or, you know, just get rid of it all together), and you know what's real sickening? I see unofficial music videos constantly up on YouTube (and even full TV seasons) without any strikes whatsoever in my side bar while watching videos. If that doesn't speak more about the situation, I honestly don't know anymore...
DracoRogue1218 (2 years ago)
Marcella D (2 years ago)
So the react brothers are wanting to help people react by claiming the rights to it, & have a history of USING OTHER PEOPLE CONTENT (I bet without permission). They are just are another tumor to Youtube's cancer problem with this fair use!
Evy Devy (2 years ago)
So sorry YT's system is doing this to you.
Ice (2 years ago)
#WTFU #MakeYoutubeGreatAgain
WindFisher (2 years ago)
Hey I really like the fact that a big portion of the youtube content creators can group together in order to attempt to resolve a problem. However the more I watch the more I wonder what are your ideas to attempt to solve this problem. Spreading the word is only one part but how you follow up with the vocal concern is important as well.
IonXtreme (2 years ago)
somebody please sue YouTube for breach of copyright law
James Williams (2 years ago)
what a bunch if moronic jackasses. Talk about one one rule for one and another for everyone else.
Avery Harris (2 years ago)
This is the main reason why I don't make videos.
Alex Jeffrey (2 years ago)
William Hendrickson (2 years ago)
at this point, with all of the people who have had these problems, why don't they set up a class action lawsuit against the corporations as their unlawful claims I THINK count as Liabling which I believe is a federal crime. though I may be incorrect on this
Dulcet Tone (2 years ago)
Josh, I have a question for you. Do you know if more than one copyright claim can be made on a video at a time?
Madison Worstell (2 years ago)
I shared Doug's video on my Facebook page. Hopefully the word is spread further. Post these videos everywhere you can. Time to take the stand we know we can make. I'm Madison Worstell, #WTFU?
Madison Worstell (2 years ago)
✊Here's my fist, bring on the legions of others!
Madison Worstell (2 years ago)
Also, "People can no longer cover their eyes! If this disturbs you then walk away. You will remember the night you were struck by the sight of Ten Thousand Fists in the air!"-Disturbed.
Madison Worstell (2 years ago)
"Can't you see this is a Land of Confusion? This is the world we live in, and these are the hands we're given. Use them and let's start trying, to make it a place worth living in!" -Genesis and Disturbed.
Munch KING (2 years ago)
I'm guessing that if a bunch of people sued the people over these fair use claims the companies would back off. The trick is, as you've pointed out, that costs a lot of money, and they are denying you your chance to earn it. Maybe if all these people who are hurt by this banded together and pooled their money for a protracted legal fight against these corporations?
Benjamin Carr-Jones (2 years ago)
Seriously though what the hell YouTube. Why?
Solidcrock013 (2 years ago)
that absolutely sucks ass for people who do this as a career, most of their ad revenue just gets stolen by other greedy buissness companys by giving the excuse that their videos follow copyright infringement even though they fall under fair use but how come more popular & richer youtubers get warranted a free pass??? #WTFU & *facepalm*
Phenix Udyne (2 years ago)
help us end the theft by big companies. #wtfu https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/enforce-change-youtube-stop-them-allowing-big-businesses-steal-legitimate-content-creators
Idan Chen (2 years ago)
oh this is just great a monopoly on youtube no freedom what so ever , so really Where is the fair us here ? Keep smiling ☺
RadiusZero (2 years ago)
Here because this was on my recommend list related to this topic. :) So I'm here to give this video the full watch, comment, and thumbs-up it to show my support! Thanks a lot for making this video to help spread this word. Also, I wasn't caught up on the affairs of the Fine Brothers - but now I know what kinda douches they were. I'm here because I enjoy watching videos and doing my best to support the creators. I don't like the direction of youtube. it used to be a place where anyone can make it big. But it's turning the back on the people who made it big and focusing on big companies that don't need any more exposure and power. So yeah, I'm here. And I'm asking #WTFU ?
Milica Markovic (2 years ago)
Josh :( You look so stressed in this video. I feel so awful for what is happening to you and other YouTubers in your position. I really hope this gets settled soon - wishing you all the best
The DS Guy (2 years ago)
There's a reason it's a bad idea to rely on YouTube. It's good to also have a job. The problem is that if you do that, you will have less time to make videos.
Raptor Red (2 years ago)
i don't understand why youtube has to be a bitch to creators. just let us upload stuff to entertain our audience and don't make a big deal about it. seriously what the hell
Laughing Lounge (2 years ago)
I understand if you do not want to talk about it if it's too personal, but you mention you get a GI Bill. Does that mean you were in the military? GI standing for General's Infantry.
You must use every weapon in you're arsenal which you shouldn't have two making money off of videos you slave over to make should not be a WAR WHERE IS THE FUCKING FAIR USE this is illegal so illegal if you could. Sue them they would have to back done because there is no possible way for them to win
MacyPooh196 (2 years ago)
Why on earth would the Fine brothers bug you? That seriously doesn't make any sense.
Dr. Bees (2 years ago)
This is wildly off-topic, but Josh looks like Brian Wecht at 3:24. It's the brow. Definitely the brow.
jack squatt (2 years ago)
You have employees? Even more surprising... they... they *like* you?
Krellak Taikan (2 years ago)
This seems to be happening to other famous youtubers. Please keep in mind this may not be the fault of the average company employee but rather the those at the top who run the company. I have several theories, 1: this is happening because the companies want to create an uproar probably for shizzles and they have enough money where it won't affect them, 2: they don't like what they consider to be a bad review, 3: they're corrupt and like to abuse their power. I hope these aren't true but they seem like it
AnimaMandala (2 years ago)
This video just reminded me of Joy, having to fight so hard for something you created. Something that others see the value in and actively prevent you from getting what you deserve out of it.
Paxten Lynch (2 years ago)
You should check out GradeAUnderA's video on this, he has some similar problems, and it seems like this is happening to A LOT of people... We really need to do something about all of this B.S. with YouTube's policies, and it's not just fair use either, it's almost everything! This is crap! START AN UPRISING! #WTFU I stand with you guys, and I'm willing to help in any way! Get in touch if you want!
CartoonFan1994 (2 years ago)
This is why aliens don't visit us. Our world is overrun by corporate bigotry that violates one human rights too many by hiding behind the First Amendment like a cowardly little bitch to avoid public backlash.
slaymaster999 (2 years ago)
considering YouTube themselves were a victim in the fair use debacle even they don't know what to do, that's scary to think about,
Breezes Melody (2 years ago)
Sorry dude, if I had that kind of money I would've totally helped you out... If I knew you were having the trouble too.
James Beattie (2 years ago)
Man you are fired up. Granted I would be too. BTW Josh, I love your videos and please keep trying to make them. Never loose hope.
Nightmare Cookie (2 years ago)
You know... It's real funny that them so called adults are acting like children. Greedy, not willing to take any criticism and not caring about anyone else but themselves. Hahahaa... It's becoming harder and harder to escape reality here on the internet...
John Wood (2 years ago)
wow, this system is bullshit
Ashley Hruska (2 years ago)
So just wondering if and when we are doing a Youtube boycott? I'm game for it because of this reason.
kirara2516 (2 years ago)
I think I'll compare youtube's way of handling this as King Sombra would. If given the chance they would shackle every youtuber and treat them like lowly grunts. Or, we can also compare them to Prince John and the Sheriff of Nottingham as they raise the taxes to rob from the poor to feed the wealthy. Where's Robin Hood when you need him? :/
Irish John. (2 years ago)
As true as all these people are, I don;t think much is going to happen because of all this. But who knows? Maybe there will be some change. Might as well try.
Neodekapon (2 years ago)
a dramatisation: us: where's the fair use? big business companies:*begin statement*INQUIRING ABOUT FAIR USE IS A VIOLATION OF CORPORATE SECURITY, YOU WILL BE SUED OUT OF YOUR RIGHT TO HANDLE ANY FORM OF MONEY WHATSOEVER.*end of statement*
TheLastVoodooMan (2 years ago)
Youtube should take the money back from whoever stole it and give it to the YTer. A run out timer practically means they gave up on their claim, but just proceed giving you the middlefinger for as long as their don't overstep their supposed legal boundaries they obviously have no clue about. And you know what? Maybe videos like these shouldn't jsut inform us about the current situation, but also remind people what STEALING is and that it's ILLEGAL!
Derubyn (2 years ago)
*autsch* Sorry Josh....I apologize in the name of germany for the stupid people who made you trouble..
Loke_Baking Baker (2 years ago)
#WTFU YouTube
Lex H. (2 years ago)
Not a Youtuber, but you have my support, been a big fan of your videos for a long time :-)
Your Imagen Ary Friend (2 years ago)
Anime America suggested putting the lost revenue aside during the dispute process into a third account rather than giving it strait to the company claiming the violation until it can be determined wether the claim's legit.
Neo Strike (2 years ago)
I have that react video... I'd love to re-upload it just because of reasons like this.  I've recently had to VLOG a video or 2 about shite (yes...shite) like this because of a cover I did recently. my OTHER covers, done in the exact same way (basically) are fine with only copy right notices...and THAT is because whatever these videos would earn (if any...) goes to THEM, they've monetized, which sucks, but its cool.... cause I am AWARE its not my song... its a COVER and called such for that reason... so I never had a big problem with it really and they were kept up... but this recent one.... well they CANT get money from it  cause they are in another country....so they're only option is to "block worldwide" which they have done twice and now I await the appeal process(video is up in the mean time). I'm small time and basically unknown... what I do wouldn't make anyone $5 bucks a month total from the WHOLE channel( sad..but true and that's fine). Its all about money and power in the end. # What the fuck YOU YouTube.....and you're automated, abused bullshit non-sense!
Jacob Walker (2 years ago)
Wow. Josh just got real for a minute there. I knew this was bad. I've seen tons of videos about this already. But I didn't realize it was hurting YouTubers this badly. Especially the smaller channels. This has gotten completely out of hand.

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