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MTG - How To Build A 4 Color EDH / Commander Mana Base For Magic: The Gathering

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Gabriel Vega (1 month ago)
if I was to switch the odyssey filter lands for shadowmoor filter lands should I run all 6?
Flic Shots (4 months ago)
Perfect explanation of what a professor does. And a perfect appearence of JLK and Jimmy!
Chris Tomlinson (6 months ago)
I feel Josh did this better
Vano Zuch (6 months ago)
Forbidden Orchard is also good. Giving an opponent a colorless creature is not that significant in EDH. Also, a new card for decks with a fair amount of artifacts is Spire of Industry. The land is basically a Mana Confluence that has an option to tap for colorless mana.
isaac howard (6 months ago)
I thought you said 'optimal 4 colour mana base' This was far from optimal
SithDragon33 (10 months ago)
Really all of it was very funny when Josh and Prof were talking.
SithDragon33 (10 months ago)
1:25 made me die
Willow Roberta Summers (10 months ago)
Hybrid fetches, should I use them?
Jack Pabich (11 months ago)
Nice job, Josh! You're amazing. Love all of your decks on The Command Zone.
Michael DesJardin (1 year ago)
"I'll get the basic math right" *Says 4-4-1-1 is 9*
Stardust Phoenix (1 year ago)
What was the song in the opening
Bozz Lightyr (1 year ago)
Lol I think this was the first time I saw Josh
a3s1r1986 (1 year ago)
I only just looked at this vid and I can see why my Atraxa Superfriends ends up getting mana-screwed. Now I finally know which lands to look for.
Kyle Hart (1 year ago)
MTG youtubers are probably the most tight-knit youtubers in any gaming community. They're always seen promoting each others stuff and leaving fun comments in each other's videos. It's awesome!
Xander Searcy (1 year ago)
my favorite green mana ramp is exploration
Fergus Fisher (1 year ago)
I am playing atraxa and so have tried to include utility lands that make mana as well as doing something helpful, such as a storage land, Oran-rief the vast wood, llanowar reborn, as well as some other ramp, such as astral cornucopia and coalition relic, however it gets in the way of the mana base you described
Fergus Fisher (1 year ago)
Also, as a green heavy deck, I removed one of the two tri-lands, Sao I only have one. Is it ok to be murmuring bosk. It deals damage but is fetchable
Rusty Baker (1 year ago)
I am trying to obtain all copies of Lair Lands. You can run two different ones in each 4 color combos. I suggest grabbing them because they are all around or under a $1 and the are tri color and come in untapped. You may have to bounce a land but you can tap a land then bounce it.
Evan Toth (1 year ago)
What would be your breakdown for a "no budget" 4 color mana base? You only suggested 6 fetchlands, but if I had some extra money, how many should I run? and what other types should I remove to make room?
Hero Zero (1 year ago)
HOWZIT!?!?!?!?!
Patrick Speakss (1 year ago)
"At least I'll get the math right" States that 4-4-1-1 is equal to 9.
Wesley Johnson (1 year ago)
Hello Professor, I understand that this video has been out for several months, but I recently put together a PDF template for a land base very similar to what Josh presented here. I'd like to share this with the rest of the TCC community should anyone else be looking for something similar, however, links in YouTube comments are intrinsically untrustworthy. Do you (or any other community members) have any suggestions?
William Fenoff (1 year ago)
"You are will"
photosinensis (1 year ago)
After I get the last two fetches I need for my deck, I'm going to have to start cutting basics. Pain lands come first. The only utility lands I'm running are Maze of Ith and Reliquary Tower. I'm also running Oath of Lieges, which is repeatable and symmetrical. That alone ups my basic lands.
Fergus Fisher (1 year ago)
photosinensis maze doesn't count as a land in the count, include temple of the false god and command tower and beacon
SuperCradily6400 (1 year ago)
I think that the Scry-lands should have been more prevalent in this video. Yes, I will concede that they do reduce the tempo of your deck, but you're gaining mana-fixing and topdeck-fixing. EDH is usually a slow format anyway, and they are really good in decks that don't need their Commander right away. These are just my personal tastes, since I favor decks that either don't need the Commander out on the table to function, or can deal with losing the commander. However, I have tried building 4-color manabases, and they have been pretty much the only thing preventing me from playing Yidris, so I'll take your advice and try to cut down on the scry-lands.
DiabloEncarnate (1 year ago)
why didn't you mention reflecting pool or Lotus vale?
Ryan (1 year ago)
Thank you mother bird
kid_kaos (1 year ago)
6:27 Is this where the math joke comes in from the beginning? Because Josh is say 9 and 9, but the graphic shows 9 and 10.
Erik Cobra (1 year ago)
Are we ever gonna see a video on how to build a colorless mana base? Could be fun.
Fergus Fisher (1 year ago)
Erik Cobra not much to it just wastes and other colourless lands, if eldrazi run eye and other such cards
thedoctor559 (1 year ago)
Are you an english professor?
Fergus Fisher (1 year ago)
thedoctor559 yes he is
Wiseley T (1 year ago)
Question that I don't think was answered in the video, lets say I have all 6 OG dual lands for a 4 color deck, plus all 6 shocks, 4-6 fetches, AND the 2 or 3 Battle lands in your colors. What lands should be prioritized after those, presumably after the correct amount of basics and utility lands plus any color lands are added? Are lorwyn filter lands, painlands, or checklands (of course based on the colors you're leaning towards the most) better to use after all the previous spots are taken? I find that I have very little room left to work with after having all of the aforementioned lands in. So which ones of the 3 categories are best and in what order?
Gustavo Rios Cardot (1 year ago)
I must say that managing colors in EDH is part of the fun of the format. In 5-colored decks you must be montrously talented to built and play with them efficiently 4-colored ones are a new addition as you mentioned, because there is no previously known database. but still fun. 3-colored ones are, for me, the most fun ones. the perfect balance of colors in here can be achieved and there is a wide variety of of mana artifacts that can be played. 2-mana decks are still fun. but the mana artifact and non-green ramping options decrease in this level. in 3colored you can easily use 3 signets, for example. but in here, options aren't that varied. Now, MONO-colored EDH decks are, for me, very difficult to built due to the fact that single-colored efficient generators are finite, especially when it doenst have green. So, professor, I agree, too, with Nate Krauthein. can you make a video for mono-colored commanders? try Mangara of Corondor, or black commanders
The Prince of Frogs (1 year ago)
do you think this year they will make 5 color commander decks
CSDragon (1 year ago)
Special note: Atraxa has her own suite of lands that you should add. Vivid lands will always tap for any color, depletion lands never run out of benefits, and storage lands only need to be charged once to start building a large reservoir of mana. That said, don't go crazy with them since they are tap lands. Gem Mine is a must though
Fergus Fisher (1 year ago)
CSDragon also llanowar awakened for memes
Shaine Edwards (1 year ago)
I really need help with this. My daughter and I upgraded Stalwart Unity and Open Hostility but I can't follow what this guy is saying.
Jean Marais (1 year ago)
Perfect. Thanks.
Josh Fredman (1 year ago)
I love your sense of humor, Professor! And speaking of the music, what's that music called? Where can we get it?
mike lints (2 years ago)
reflection pool also helps
mike lints (2 years ago)
it is worth noting though that using fetches Robs from that 38ish land count.
Jaferaly Hooda (2 years ago)
"At least I'll get the basic math right." "Run 9 basics - 4+4+1+1" Welp.
Zach Egert (2 years ago)
Anyone else think that cards like Aether Hub, Tendo Ice Bridge, Gemstone Mine, and Hickory Woodlot would be good cards in most Atraxa decks?
Michael Knives (2 years ago)
tri llands dont come out tapped with amulet of vigor :p
Michael Knives (2 years ago)
I play boundless realms... I love lots of basics & chromatic lantern :3
Michael Knives (2 years ago)
oh and if i can twincast or reverberate it or bring it back from the grave all of the lands..... :3 I have a gitrog deck....
Jake Thompson (2 years ago)
What happens when you want to run the 4 colored artifact lands in you colors? In Breya I definitely want to, especially since a number of my cheap artifact tutors can grab them.
Fergus Fisher (1 year ago)
Jake Thompson replace the basics, they are basically better except for artifact hate which u have to look out for. Also run darksteel citadel, because it stops most artifact hate
Bladezeromus (2 years ago)
What type of land are lands such as Wooden Bastion and Mystic Gate considered?
Andrew P (1 year ago)
Bladezeromus filter lands
Robert Perez (2 years ago)
You can use all 6 shock lands for a 4 color deck? I've bee told time again that you can't use all of them since they're showing the Mana symbols that might be outside the Commanders Color Identity. (I'm talking about the symbols in the lands parenthesis.)
BasedFuster (2 years ago)
6/10 shock lands and no you can't run lands that have mana symbols outside the commander's color ID.
PintsizeLoki (2 years ago)
why have lands over check lands? check lands seem more consistent in such a heavy non basic land setup.
Harry Moran (2 years ago)
I loved this intro!
Art Alviar (2 years ago)
how about the dual lands? where do they fall among the categories of lands? dimir aqueduct boros garrison azorius chancery rakdos carnarium
Andrew P (1 year ago)
Art Alviar they're called bounce lands. They're good if you have uptap effects. But play them on t2 and you'll need to discard. And if people kill them, it hurts
Darthkoolaid (2 years ago)
Instead of tapped tri lands I use PLANESHIFT lair bounce lands. On turn 2 you tap land, float it and then play lair and bounce land into hand and you lose no tempo
Andrew P (1 year ago)
Darthkoolaid except you're a land behind next turn?
nathones (2 years ago)
Surprised to see no mention of the checklands like Dragonskull Summit, Glacial Fortress, etc.
Nate Krautheim (2 years ago)
so, professor, where's that how to build a mono color mana base video?
Genya Arikado (2 years ago)
professor, you are an inspiration to me. You explain everything very good about MTG. You seem very humble and polite to your viewers. Keep up the amazing work :)
That's next on the list.
Richard Johnson (2 years ago)
Fantastic video, glad you got the Command Zone on here to help with the mana base of the new commander set!
Yeah, and that opening skit in particular is one of my favorites we've ever done. Cheers.
AzanulbizarLaban (2 years ago)
If you'd add the land composition in the video explanation it would be much easier to go back to the video and check. Instead of having to skim the video to find it. Useful video anyhow, good job! :)
88Hyo (2 years ago)
What have I told people about green and basiclands? WHAT HAVE I TOLD YOU?! and some guy tried to argue with me...
Alex Mangum (2 years ago)
when are we getting the mono-colored mana base? :)
Adam Finke (2 years ago)
Why is Prismatic Omen never mentioned? If you have acces to green it seems like an autoinclude for color fixing, is it secretly bad and I just dont know or does everyone forget about it?
Andrew P (1 year ago)
Adam Finke doesn't ramp you, and doesn't do much if your mana base is solid
Josh Lee Kwai (2 years ago)
I'm not a huge fan of Prismatic Omen myself. It's pure fixing. It does not ramp you (i.e. allow you to cast your spells early). It's not horribly unplayable, I just think there are enough cards that fix AND ramp you that I almost always find myself cutting Prismatic Omen from my decks.
KromeDrone (2 years ago)
Step 1: Choose your colors Step 2: Sell your soul to the devil for fetches, duals, and shocks. Step 3: Question your sanity
freepaper100 (5 months ago)
Step 5: Make a video about it
Niall Reid (1 year ago)
Step 4: Get ganged up on and quit the hobby.
Sebastian Ahrens (2 years ago)
For this intro alone you deserve more likes than youtube allows me to give. Thanks to all involved for this video!
moonknights01 (2 years ago)
Don't forget about Planeshift Lairs! It was mentioned in the "Top 5 Underrated and Budget Dual Land" video
Tim Dalton (2 years ago)
No love for Reflecting Pool?
Josh Lee Kwai (2 years ago)
It's a fine card but it does not fix mana. When you're missing a color, Reflecting Pool does not help you and the main thing you're trying to accomplish is having access to all four of your colors as consistently as possible.
Masaru kun (2 years ago)
6:35 mathic the mathering
Ryuga Kuroyami (2 years ago)
For Mid-Heavy Green wouldn't cards like Gaia's Touch and Exploration be good for ramp?
Apparat8 (2 years ago)
If you own an Exploration, you might as well throw in Crucible of Worlds and the True Duals. Burgeoning, too. Gaea's Touch would not be good for ramp in a deck that might only have 4-5 basic Forests.
Kiko Hernández (2 years ago)
I FREAKING LOVE YOU PROFESSOR
Nikata Nyx (2 years ago)
But what about the new filter lands such as cascade bluffs or fetid heath?
Winterhe4rt (2 years ago)
Also for breya you should mention you will want th5 artifact lands. (prolly instead of basics )
Andrew P (1 year ago)
Winterhe4rt no, they obviously shouldn't. Because it's a video about how to make a mana base for a 4 coloured deck. Not for Breya... They also shouldn't mention the best options for any other commander..
Winterhe4rt (2 years ago)
thats why my oroginal comment SPECIFICALLY mentioned Breya. and not any of the other 4 color commanders.... (also this video used Breya as an example).  why is no one reading the original comment properly? xD
Josh Lee Kwai (2 years ago)
The video was meant to be a good starting point for ALL four color decks. Going in to the specifics of each deck including all the possible partner variations and their mechanics was just way beyond the scope of what we could accomplish in a short format.
Winterhe4rt (2 years ago)
1st you should realize, that a deck like Breya is probably 50% colorless and you need WAAAY less color fixing anyway. 2nd obv you should only run artifact lands if you get a great benefit out of them. Needless to say if you dont play benefits like Daretti, Goblin Welder, Dagson, Master Transmuter..... your doing something wrong anyway... xD
Kestral287 (2 years ago)
At that point you're either replacing multicolor lands for monocolor ones, which is dangerous, or you weren't running an efficient mana base in the first place. Alternately, you're loading up your utility land slots with lands that don't actually do anything. While not particularly dangerous, that's probably weakening your deck more than it's helping.
Sean Thompson (2 years ago)
Umm, look at a 5 color deck and take out one color?
Sean Thompson (2 years ago)
+Apparat8 I would agree with you about thinking of it as a 3 color mana base plus one if it weren't for the fact that he's using the exact same lands that would be used in a 5 color mana base. The obvious difference are the less optimal lands to replace the lands you lose by removing one color. I still think my original comment is correct. It seems that we are coming at it from different ends and ending up with the same result.
Apparat8 (2 years ago)
When you say "take out one color", that actually removes more cards than you think. That's 6 True Duals or Shock Lands, instead of 10. That's 6 Fetch Duals, instead of 10. It's almost better to think of it as the 3 Color video plus one color, but then you have to figure out what to cut. The SM/ET Filters are decently expensive, but it should have been included as an option in the video. So is Reflecting Pool, especially since Exotic Orchard is basically going to give you the same thing in a 4 player match up.
Sean Thompson (2 years ago)
More clearly, it seems like it's the same path you would take to build a 5-color deck minus one color. Obviously you need to find replacements for those duals you can't use. Where are the Shadowmoor/Eventide filters? Reflecting Pool? They aren't that expensive. The basic land process is pretty much the same too. I just don't see how it's that much different of a process.
Not even close.
bradsoup (2 years ago)
Feed me, mama bird
Lonely Beholder (2 years ago)
Tolarian Community College Draft Chaff deck <3
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Havoc The Wendigo (2 years ago)
Omg you guys x,D that was way too funny lmao
Atmapalazzo (2 years ago)
12:52 except for zurgo helmsmasher decks :P
Jacoby Spurnger (2 years ago)
what about the fast lands?
Josh Lee Kwai (2 years ago)
I'm not a huge fan because Commander generally revolves more around later turns than earlier turns. This means I'd rather have untapped lands late and tapped lands early. Hence my preferences for the check lands over the fast lands.
CastelDawn (2 years ago)
the acting...
ChaosConsortium (2 years ago)
Wasn't Newton a physics professor?
the Void (2 years ago)
there is no "have" lands there are tango or battle lands, dont try to push your communist propaganda about "have lands".
Silver Fang (2 years ago)
It's not going to happen
BTIsaac (2 years ago)
the Void stop trying to make tango happen.
Kyle Lynn (2 years ago)
I think that in the greenless deck you can cut one basic of each and replace them with the corresponding artifact lands. This allows them to be added to your artifact count, and can be 'fetched' with trinket mage.
Oakenbull (2 years ago)
great video, this is top notch information presented in a clear and present danger
Josh Lee Kwai (2 years ago)
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
Silly Goose (2 years ago)
Professor is there any way to make your modern infect deck cheaper
Karel (2 years ago)
Odissey filter lands vs Shadowmoor/Eventide filter lands, which a re better? I tend to err on the side of Shadowmoor/Eventide, but according to the video, Josh thinks otherwise... Thoughts?
BTIsaac (2 years ago)
kokushin55 lorwyn filters won't help with fixing. you already need one of the two colors they produce. also, they cost 10 times as much.
Winterhe4rt (2 years ago)
WHERE ARE THE LAIRS!!!?
Eliakim Rodrigues (2 months ago)
+Apparat8 You lose tempo for the rest of the game
Apparat8 (2 years ago)
Seconded. I feel like the Lairs would be a better option than the Tri Lands. You only lose tempo for the next turn, and if it's your last land in your hand, that's tempo you probably weren't going to gain back, anyway. Hell, include 2 Lairs and 2 Tri Lands, cut the Filter Lands, and add one more Any Color.
L Naveja (2 years ago)
My only recommendation is to use amulet of vigor. It allows you to play and use your lands on time. When I use a three plus color deck I always run it.
Azninja (2 years ago)
can you make one for a mono color mana base video for fun?
Totema1 (2 years ago)
Hey Josh, what about the SHM/EVE filter lands?
Brett Augarten (2 years ago)
Great colab! Love me some Command Zone!
Shane Horton (2 years ago)
Maybe it's just a colloquialism but the presented "filter" lands are, in my opinion, better referred to as "signet lands" seeing as they operate identical to the guild signets. Filter lands, in my opinion, refers best to the lands where I can put in 1 of one colour and get either 2 of that colour, 1 of that colour and another or 2 of the other colour.
Fergus Fisher (1 year ago)
Shane Horton yeah but the odyssey lands were named after the shadowmoor lands, because people thought they were so similar
Da Shieldmasta (2 years ago)
So wait, if you pull a shock with a fetch, can the shock enter untapped without the life penalty?
Emerson L (2 years ago)
Da Shieldmasta In short, no. the fetch will cost you one life and when you select the shock land, you decide to either pay an additional two life or have it enter the battlefield tapped.
GAR (dragonic13) (2 years ago)
One of the best building a mana base for commander on here.
GDPanda (2 years ago)
I've been wondering this for a few months, but why do you include visual spoilers of cards inclusive of extremely limited print run editions such as judge promos, or (non-print editions such as) MTO 'modern masters' equivalents? Why not just link the set edition that "most" people would be familiar with / be most likely to encounter IRL? It's kind of a hassle for newer/returning players (such as myself who has been out of the game since Tempest) to have to google some of these cards (yea, I know... the internet is a rough place). Anyways, thanks for the great content.
N S (2 years ago)
Hey Prof just play the half cycle of Lorwyn Filters which are so much better.
BTIsaac (2 years ago)
Markov TM 30$ each? no thanks. also, they need colored mana.
Thomas Akeo (2 years ago)
This is the best description of a teacher ever! Thanks, I will be using this forever.
Joaquin De Castro (2 years ago)
Can't wait to use this in my Atraxa, Praetor's Voice EDH Deck. After watching these mana base EDH videos, all of my Commander Decks increased in function, utility, and fun after I upgraded them. This is especially true with my two-color Rakdos, Lord of Riots and Kaseto, Orochi Archmage decks, where I pretty much just put Guildgates and Basics, so these videos are extremely useful.
Everett Brogen (2 years ago)
Very cheeky video prof. Great job 😁
Lucarioguild7 (2 years ago)
I can't wait to have zozu done just in time for the four color commanders :P
Jean-Michel Michaud (2 years ago)
Well I'm ultra budget, so almost all my lands will be tapped lands.. :) Who needs tempo anyway?
Josh Lee Kwai (2 years ago)
Try to skew your ramp cards towards basic lands and run more basics. Don't give up too much tempo.
test name (2 years ago)
any deck that runs any black should run Urbog, tomb of yagmoth
Kestral287 (2 years ago)
I've gone without Cabal more than a few times just because I didn't have space for a relevant number of cards to find specific lands. Most of those aren't really great cards; Sylvan Scrying and Tolaria West are very medium, Ulvenwald Hydra is strong but slow, generic tutors have to compete against me getting access to every other card in my deck. Urborg is a 100% include though.
Apparat8 (2 years ago)
And cabal coffers. And several ways to fetch them.
craigcarroll2000 (2 years ago)
Love the collaboration with the Command Zone guys.
TheTekst165 (2 years ago)
glad to see the professor and the command zone working together... great job guys!
Tempest and a Computer (2 years ago)
Love that intro hahahaha
TheWonderdoc (2 years ago)
If you want to use Filter lands in your decks I suggest using the Shadowmoor/Eventide filters over the ones from Odyssey though some of them (Cascade Bluffs, Twilight Mire) can be a bit pricey. They can a) tap for colourless on their own and b) can filter you not only into AB mana but also AA and BB. As an alternative to the tri lands the "lairs" from Planeshift exist. They enter tapped as well but force you to bounce a non-lair land on etb. This can be helpful to abuse other utility lands like a Bojuka Bog.
Fergus Fisher (1 year ago)
Too expensive and inflexible in 4 colour
BTIsaac (1 year ago)
+Andrew P not in a 4 color deck.
Andrew P (1 year ago)
BTIsaac they are a lot better
BTIsaac (2 years ago)
+TheWonderdoc they are good in a two or three color deck. Not so much in a four colored one. Also, most players can't afford them.
TheWonderdoc (2 years ago)
I still believe them to be better. The versatile fixing is very helpful for things that need more than one mana of a kind and it isn't a completely dead card when you drop it alone like the others are.
Jean-Philippe Lessard (2 years ago)
This is great! Very in-depth (:
Lukas Peruzovic (2 years ago)
All we need now is a Zero Color Mana Base for EDH.
Fergus Fisher (1 year ago)
Also it's not just wastes also eye of ugin and other colourless and eldrazi lands
Fergus Fisher (1 year ago)
My friend made a colorleas eldrazi edh
Lukas Peruzovic (2 years ago)
LOL
Silver Fang (2 years ago)
38 wastes :p
Lukas Peruzovic (2 years ago)
I was thinking more of Karn Deck, but sure colorless eldrazi would work too. Actually the basic land time waste makes the No color EDH a bit easier on the wallet
fuckingimpossible (2 years ago)
'sciency things' lol

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